{"id":23840,"date":"2024-04-18T14:40:48","date_gmt":"2024-04-18T13:40:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.totallywicked-eliquid.co.uk\/vaped\/?p=23840"},"modified":"2024-10-24T10:04:09","modified_gmt":"2024-10-24T09:04:09","slug":"is-the-tobacco-and-vapes-bill-a-good-idea","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.totallywicked-eliquid.co.uk\/vaped\/is-the-tobacco-and-vapes-bill-a-good-idea\/","title":{"rendered":"Is the Tobacco and Vapes Bill a Good Idea?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>The 16th April 2024 saw the second reading of the Tobacco and Vapes Bill in Parliament. While the opening Speech from the Rt. Hon Victoria Atkins MP, Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, began with an understandable emphasis on the devastating effects of smoking, discussions soon meandered into a murky marshland of inaccuracies \u2013 taking vaping with it<a href=\"#_edn1\" id=\"_ednref1\">[i]<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Discover what was discussed during the second reading of the Bill and our thoughts on what was said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What is the Tobacco and Vapes Bill?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>The Tobacco and Vapes Bill is separate from other measures associated with vaping, including the ban on disposable vapes from June 1st 2025, and the proposed excise duty on vaping products from October 2026.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Bill proposes:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-cover is-light\" style=\"min-height:250px;aspect-ratio:unset;\"><span aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-cover__background has-background-dim-100 has-background-dim\" style=\"background-color:#f2f2f2\"><\/span><div class=\"wp-block-cover__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-cover-is-layout-constrained\">\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Increasing the age of sale for tobacco each year, eventually eradicating legal sale of cigarettes completely<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Reducing the appeal and availability of vapes to children by restricting flavours and packaging<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Strengthening enforcement around tobacco and vape sales<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Restrictions around where these products can be sold within store<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>On the surface, the emphasis for the Tobacco and Vapes Bill, appears to be directed to creating a smoke-free England (and eventually, a smoke-free UK).<a id=\"_ednref2\" href=\"#_edn2\">[ii]<\/a> However, by placing vapes in the same group as cigarettes, the Government seems set potentially to unravel all the good work vapes have done to help adults quit smoking.&nbsp; It\u2019s apparent that many of the statements made during the second reading were written with minimal thought to the consequences for adult ex-smokers. As a reputable vaping company that has seen first-hand the benefits of switching from cigarettes to vapes, we find it difficult to see how the Government might treat cigarettes and vapes as, essentially, one and the same.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Concerning Comments During the Second Reading <\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>During the second reading, some comments raised a few eyebrows here at Totally Wicked. The first was from the opening speaker, the Rt. Hon Victoria Atkins, when she declared that \u201cvapes are cynically marketed towards children\u201d. We respectfully disagree, and assert that our vaping products are designed for adults who wish to switch from smoking.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We were surprised when the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care did, at one point, throw some crumbs to the vaping industry from her burgeoning table of convoluted rhetoric. In this case, it was when she stated that vapes can be really helpful in assisting adult smokers. Yet, even this throw away comment was swept away again when Atkins lumped in vaping with smoking as being life-threatening.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The importance of vape flavours<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>The second notable comment of concern was from Dr Caroline Johnson, Conservative MP for Sleaford and North Hykeham, who wished to share some \u201cinsider\u201d information she said she had garnered from discussion with certain members of the vaping industry. During these discussions, Dr. Johnson said that she was told by the vaping industry that if:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>\u201cWe give them cherry cola flavoured vapes, they go from smoking to vaping cherry cola to vaping mango\u2026They remain one of our customers and continue to use one of our products.\u201d <a href=\"#_edn3\" id=\"_ednref3\"><strong>[iii]<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>This is an extremely cynical view, which fails to take into account the fact that access to a variety of vape flavours can actually help prevent ex-smokers returning to their hazardous habit. In our own recently conducted survey, we asked if vape flavours were banned, what alternatives would you use?&nbsp; 17% of respondents believe they would return to smoking and 53% just don\u2019t know what they would do. So, with over half of respondents being left bewildered and unsure about what to do should a ban be implemented and many others returning to smoking, a vape flavour ban seems like an incredibly bad idea.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group alignfull has-background\" style=\"background-color:#f2f2f2;padding-top:6vw;padding-right:6vw;padding-bottom:6vw;padding-left:6vw\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group alignwide is-vertical is-nowrap is-layout-flex wp-container-core-group-is-layout-8171334d wp-block-group-is-layout-flex\" style=\"padding-top:0;padding-right:0;padding-bottom:0;padding-left:0\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-2656d967 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66%\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Our View on the Tobacco and Vapes Bill<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Totally Wicked&#8217;s CEO, Marcus Saxton had this to say on the Tobacco and Vapes Bill second reading:<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group is-vertical is-nowrap is-layout-flex wp-container-core-group-is-layout-287ef9cb wp-block-group-is-layout-flex\" style=\"padding-right:0;padding-left:0\">\n<div style=\"height:0px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer wp-container-content-42577013\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em>\u201cPutting to one side any broader debate around whether this is a typically Conservative policy or not, which would see a reduction in peoples freedoms, many of us, including Totally Wicked, applaud any policy which will see uniquely dangerous combustible tobacco products being eradicated from the UK. Certainly, any attempt to \u2018stop the start\u2019 by preventing children from accessing cigarettes, must be a good thing.&nbsp; However, it is important to note that being dragged along with these proposals on combustible tobacco is something very different &#8211; vapes. Totally Wicked, like many vaping businesses, was founded by a 20-a-day smoker, Jason Cropper, who back in 2008 found the early versions of some products that were transformative in his pursuit to give up cigarette smoking; e-cigarettes.&nbsp;<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Put simply, \u2018the cause\u2019 of billions of pounds of NHS expenditure, and so very much death and disease each year is being lumped together with what has been proven to be a transformative escape route for millions of smokers, some 15 years on from Jasons early experience.&nbsp; This is why Totally Wicked, in conjunction with the Independent British Vape Trade Association and many other businesses, and representatives from industry are so forthright in our view that the government must think very carefully around how we can carefully reach the aligned goals of<\/em>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A\/ <em>Continuing the very proud and material role that vaping has played in supporting adult smokers<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>whilst<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>B\/ <em>Ensuring that these transformative products do not get in the hands of under 18\u2019s and     others that would not otherwise be smoking.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-vertically-aligned-center is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33%\"><div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"342\" height=\"941\" src=\"https:\/\/www.totallywicked-eliquid.co.uk\/vaped\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/marcus-quote-1.jpg\" alt=\"marcus quote\" class=\"wp-image-23868\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.totallywicked-eliquid.co.uk\/vaped\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/marcus-quote-1.jpg 342w, https:\/\/www.totallywicked-eliquid.co.uk\/vaped\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/marcus-quote-1-131x360.jpg 131w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 342px) 100vw, 342px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-724a882f wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-vertically-aligned-center is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33%\"><div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.totallywicked-eliquid.co.uk\/about-us\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"342\" height=\"228\" src=\"https:\/\/www.totallywicked-eliquid.co.uk\/vaped\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/marcus-saxton-1.jpg\" alt=\"marcus saxton\" class=\"wp-image-23859\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-vertically-aligned-center is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66%\">\n<div style=\"height:2vw\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em>However, this is a complex area, and on the face of the current Tobacco and Vapes Bill there are some very broad and far-ranging powers that the government are seeking, which subject to future regulation would potential have significant unintended consequences to these 2 objectives.&nbsp; Notably the powers to:<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><em>Restrict Flavours, Flavour descriptors, and\/or ingredients<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><em>Restrict Packaging from plain packaging to limited on-pack communication\/branding<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><em>Restrict where these products can be sold within shops<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><em>To reiterate, Totally Wicked is appalled by the growth in vaping by under 18\u2019s, whose access to vapes is already illegal today. As many of you will know, TW works tirelessly with our staff, systems and processes to ensure that our age verification protocols are robust.&nbsp; Yet, we are materially concerned that without much deeper consultation by the Government around these proposed powers, and future regulation, they could literally throw baby out with the bathwater!&nbsp; It is important to note that alongside this Tobacco &amp; Vapes Bill, which will go through further \u2018readings\u2019 in Parliament and the House of Lords, there is already a parallel piece of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.totallywicked-eliquid.co.uk\/vaped\/disposable-vape-ban-and-regulation-changes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">legislation around the ban on single use devices<\/a> which is likely to come into effect in April 2025.&nbsp; As a result, it\u2019s critical that we see the single use ban, which will bar the products that have been most&nbsp; attractive to under 18\u2019s, come into effect, swiftly, and effectively. This must play out before seeking further powers on a broader set of measures such as flavours, which for so many of you, have played a materially important role in your own successful quit journey.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">References<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref1\" id=\"_edn1\">[i]<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gov.uk\/government\/speeches\/tobacco-vapes-bill-second-reading-opening-speech\">https:\/\/www.gov.uk\/government\/speeches\/tobacco-vapes-bill-second-reading-opening-speech<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a id=\"_edn2\" href=\"#_ednref2\">[ii]<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ibvta.org.uk\/media-centre\/ibvta-responds-to-appg-recommendations\/\"> https:\/\/www.ibvta.org.uk\/media-centre\/ibvta-responds-to-appg-recommendations\/<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ednref3\" id=\"_edn3\">[iii]<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theyworkforyou.com\/debates\/?id=2024-04-16a.185.0&amp;p=25597#g242.1\">https:\/\/www.theyworkforyou.com\/debates\/?id=2024-04-16a.185.0&amp;p=25597#g242.1<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The 16th April 2024 saw the second reading of the Tobacco and Vapes Bill in Parliament. 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